A Lange & Sohne Question&Answer:
Question by janie
happened here this time around, in addition to purging and registration problems detailed in the article, here are some interesting irregularities that took place here..please comment and read the article or at least the excerpts below
EXERCPTS
“While these and other irregularities bruised the election, there were far fewer than reported in 2004. The presence of hundreds of well-trained and equipped election protection volunteers throughout the state seem to have staved off any GOP attempt to repeat the massive disenfranchisement that gave the 2004 Ohio vote count to George W. Bush. Key Ohio polling stations were graced with independent election observers appointed by the Green Party. Independent video-the-vote teams, nonpartisan election observers, and Obama supporters were placed outside the polls documenting all that happened. With an apparently workable distribution of voting machines and sufficient paper ballots as a backup (along with a clear sunny day) the horrors of long lines in Ohio’s 2004 election were avoided in 2008.
The Ohio vote count also seems to have been successfully protected. In Licking County, a voter reported that his paper ballot was put in a bag without an envelope. In Youngstown, Joyce Stewart reports being given a paper ballot that had no place to choose a president.
E-voting machines in three Columbus precincts double-counted votes. In heavily Democratic Lucas County, four out of eight e-voting machines in precinct 20, recorded no votes for president, while recording far higher vote counts for such minor offices as county coroner.
The poll judge in Columbus precinct 25G tried to have legitimate exit pollers arrested. In Trumbull County, Warner Lange observed that “all of the votes cast using a paper ballot between the hours of 6:30am and 8:15 am are invalid because none of the voters were asked, as required, to sign the pollbook.”
In Hamilton and Franklin Counties (Cincinnati and Columbus) early and absentee ballots were not counted on Election Night, as originally planned. It took three hours after the polls closed for Union County election officials to get their ballots scanned. Terry Grimm reported that “everything was wrong” coming from the Summit County town of Barberton, causing a delayed tabulation.
Kevin Egler in Portage County reported that after 2800 votes were scanned on election night, a “corrupted card signal” came out, forcing election officials to start the vote count over.
Ultimately, despite Brunner’s attempts to get rid of them, hundreds of thousands of votes were again cast and counted on electronic voting machines with no paper trail and no way to do a reliable recount.
But missing this time was an electronic theft apparatus under the control of Blackwell and Karl Rove.”
exercpts from article titled
Election protection in Ohio (and America) isn’t over
it is found here
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2008/3289
so my question is what is your opinion on these excerpts or article and what voting problems if any took place where you live..any solutions?
to the uninformed troll free number. In ohio in 15 million votes, a study showed only 4 inciudences oif voter fraud.
In Ohio 2004 the things like vote flipping, more votes than voters and so forth are called election fraud. while there were in 2004, 57,000 voting irregularities mounting to hundreds of thousands if not millions of votes all the irregularities that is ALL OF THEM favoring bush are called election fraud.
there are very few incidences of voter fraud..that is, even if there were tons of mickey mouse registrations..virtually none of them show up at the polls with ID and get to vote.
Acorn is a typical rove tactic of accusing the opposition party of what your side actually does..acorn carefully goes through each registration the people gathering them turn in and separate them into 3 piles good, incomplete and suspected fake. By law they must turn in every registration. they tell the BORE which ones are suspected frauds and fakes and ask them to discard or check out
these as fakes (that BORE above should be BOE –board of elections). they also fire the person who put fake names on it or signed themselves. they did what they were supposed to..it is the people they hire some homeless or poor who cheated to try to get money for not doing the work. I find it very sad that you refuse to educate yourself or see what happened in 2000 and 2004 and likely before or the true insecurity of our electronic voting machines and tabulators just cause you are so partisan you put party above democracy and right..I personally would fight just as hard igf it were dems doing the massive cheating but it is not. The other way to steal votes is caging, provisional ballots, challenging voters, throwing out registrations and creating long lines by shorting the machines in inner city areas…these are voting suppression issues.
this uninformed stance he portrayed is why we need the fairness doctrine so easily lead sheep see both sides from right wing media
the person calling me foolish, I am quite sure does not have a mensa IQ like me, nor is he educated to my level, nor has he studied voter fraud 6 years intensely and been in grass roots contact with the heroes and founders of the modern day voting rights movement began in Ohio in 2004 who are some of the brightest minds in the city…name calling..it is all they know how to do.
grubmint might be interested to know that in 2004 when the bulk of problems and long lines up to 13 hours happened, republicans were totally in charge in our allegedly “appointed by republicans” bipartisan BOE’s especially SOS blackwell republican and co chair of reelect bush and former franklin county (columbus) repubs chair matt damscoder who created long lines by subtracting so many voting machines in all democratic areas and this time with few glitches and no lines election day, dem sos Jennifer brunner was in charge (but reps stack the courts and lawsuits abounded)..Matt damscoder is still there and was recently sued by republican stivers who ran for the house int h 15th district ..which is interesting..even reps are suing him, for fraud
It was we the people..the little people who watched the polls, continually meet with sos brunner and election officials and did so much to get what happened here in 2004 out despite media blackout and who are still fighting just as hard to not
let what happened here ever happen again to the extent of the small power we have..we are watching now and will forevermore. The mettle of the activists I know is strong and they love their country too much to let democracy die without a fight. I am so proud of these activists who stood in 50 mph winds, in freezing snow and rain and who withstood insult and attempts to stop us who solders on.
One day all will know the true heroes and fighters for the principles of democracy when we all give account to God of what we did on earth and who fought for the right and who overlooked it or did not care. On that day, many and especially many repubs will be ashamed.
Answer by Troll Free Number
I couldn’t read any further once I saw “GOP suppression” which is B.S. ACORN gets no mention for their less than honorable activities which most certainly translated into some voter fraud. I live in FL, we had felons and dead people vote here. So, as for the voting process, I believe the ONLY reason nothing has been challenged this year is because it was in Obama’s favor and second, it was Democratic.
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